Big 6 8 Craps
Big 6 And 8 Craps; Big 6 8 In Craps; Be smart, play smart, learn how to play casino craps the right way! The Big 6 and Big 8 bets are identical to the Place 6 and Place 8 bets except for their payoff and location on the table layout. Most casinos don't offer these bets because most people don't play them. Big 6 and Big 8 Bets. The Big Six & Big Eight Craps Bets What are the Big Six and Big Eight bet? In simplest terms, it is a play in craps when a player bets whether a six or an eight will be rolled before the seven. Basically, the dice are rolled until a six or seven comes up and the player wins or loses.
House Edge on Placing the 6 and 8 in Craps.
I recently received the following:
Jerry:
Let me say up front I love the GTC site, etc. Just wish I had known about this stuff instead of counting cards in the late seventies.
I have never seen a publication with the correct data re: the following 2 points.
By the way I expect full RFB and a hooker in return for this info LOL
The Big 8 and Big 6 are such sucker bets that most people don’t bet them, so it’s become uncommon to see them on a craps table anymore. If you encounter a table that still offers the Big 8 and Big 6, you’ll see them by the Pass Line where it makes the 90-degree curve. The big 6 and big 8 bets in craps are situated at both ends of the craps table. The big 6 bet is a wager predicting that a 6 will be rolled out before a 7. While the big 8 bet predicts that an 8 will be rolled before a 7. It is important to note that if any other number is rolled, it will not affect the overall result of the dice roll. Big 6 Bet - Big 8 Bet Big six and big eight are two of the popular craps bets. Basically when you bet on big 6 for example, you are wagering that the shooter will roll any six before a seven is rolled. The same thing goes with big 8 except you want the shooter to roll an eight before a seven.
- Placing the 6 and 8.
Consider a $6 place bet on the 6. There are only 11 happenings out of 36 in this universe that produce a decision: 5 wins x $7 and 6 losses of $6 for a net loss of 1 unit. Having bet 11 X $6 the loss is 1/66 or -1.51515%.
However, consider a $6 place bet on BOTH the 6 and 8 simultaneously. Now we have a 16 possible game. If we look at the P & L as each of the possible outcomes occurs, we see that we get 10 X $7 = +$70 and 6 X -$12 = -$72 for a loss of $2. However our total money at risk was $12 X 16 = $192. A loss of $2 in $192 is a losing percent of only 1.0416666667 (or 1 and 1/24 %). - < the second point will be addressed in a future article >
Tony
Dear Tony,
6'8 Height
You have an interesting way of looking at these bets. On the surface it appears quite logical. However, you must do a separate calculation for each bet - placing the 6 and placing the 8. You cannot lump them together, since they are two distinct bets. Each bet would have about a -1.52% edge.
Since you will probably not take the statement above as proof, let's look at this in another way.
You are using the correct formula for calculating the edge for each bet: Sum of all profit (or Loss) divided by the sum of all bets made. Consider the following table.
Roll | Roll Frequency | Profit / Roll | Pro-rated Profit | New Bets After Roll | Pro-rated Bets/Roll |
2 | 2.78% | $0.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 |
3 | 5.56% | $0.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 |
4 | 8.33% | $0.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 |
5 | 11.11% | $0.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 |
6 | 13.89% | $70.00 | $9.72 | $60.00 | $8.33 |
7 | 16.67% | -$120.00 | -$20.00 | $120.00 | $20.00 |
8 | 13.89% | $70.00 | $9.72 | $60.00 | $8.33 |
9 | 11.11% | $0.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 |
10 | 8.33% | $0.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 |
11 | 5.56% | $0.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 |
12 | 2.78% | $0.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 |
Total | 100.00% | <![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]> | -$0.56 | <![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]> | $36.67 |
In order to determine the edge of any bet we need to determine the profit from each roll. To do that we need to multiply the bet by the roll frequency to come up with the 'Pro-rated Profit' Then we must determine the 'Pro-rated Bets/Roll' by multiplying the new bets after roll by the roll frequency. You calculate the edge by dividing the 'Pro-rated Profit' by the 'Pro-rated Bets/Roll.'
In the above table I used larger bets to get more accuracy in the final calculations. Using the numbers above the edge would be -.56 divided by 36.67 or -1.527 percent - not -1.04 percent.
Tony, you still may not take the above as proof, possibly thinking I am playing with numbers, but will you take the results of a simulation?
Using the Smart Craps simulator, I set up a simulation which assumed a random thrower betting a $30 6 and a $30 8. The simulation ran for 10,000,000 rolls of the dice (actually 10,000,003 rolls in order to finish the last hand). The result --- an expected edge of -1.521498 percent.
Three strikes and you are out. All the other books are right - the house edge on placing the 6 and 8 is 1.52 percent, not 1.04 percent.
Sorry Tony, no RFB and no hooker on this one.
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Craps back then was a game of points.
No place bets, put bets were not yet allowed.
Bettors wanted a way to bet the 6 and 8 without going thru the come line.
They are an all day wager with a house edge of 9.09%.
Remember back then NO place or put bets.
Bet the Don't Pass? No Bar 12. The don't Pass WON on a 12. It cost you a 5% vig to bet the don't pass.
This just shows how the bets have evolved for the game of craps.
Now in the 21st century we have place bets on the 6&8. pays 7:6 or every $6 pays $7.
There are still $1 and $2 craps tables where you MUST place the 6 or 8 for a minimum of $3.
So the question is: Would you make a $2 Big 6 or Big 8 bet if you only have $2?
I'm an old timer, as was my instructor, and I have seen many players make great money on the Big 6&8. Of course the quarter and $1 games forced many low bankroll players to make the bet if they wanted the 6 or the 8.
I used the first $200 (100 + 4x25) on the PL, winning one $25 bet. :-(
I used the rest on the Big 6/8 , again winning one $25 bet. :-C
Man, I HATE CRAPS these days
Thanks for the history lesson - very interesting. Every now and then I see an image of an old craps layout, and it's often striking how much they have changed.
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At the El Cortez, where a $3 place bet pays $3.50, then it would definitely make more sense to place the 6 rather than bet the Big 6.
Further, since the Big 6 and Big 8 bets are active all the time, and the place bets are normally NOT active when a person is making a come out roll, then if the better is able to remember this and pick up their Big 6 and Big 8 bets on a come out roll, they are probably ok. But I've seen many times where they are not aware of this, and those bets get swept up on a 7, in which case, betting this way is a bad idea.
So the question is: Would you make a $2 Big 6 or Big 8 bet if you only have $2?
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If I'm down to $2, I'd head for nickle VP. Big6/8 should never be seen as a live option when much better bets can (still) be had. Unfortunately, you have to do the 'walk of shame' away from the lively action at the craps tables.